SILENCING: Trying to stop us meeting
One of the most horrifying and indefensible consequences of trans ideology is the view that women should not be allowed to meet together and air concerns about how that ideology may impact on our lives as women. We don’t matter, we should just shut up and if we won’t shut up trans activist bullies will shut us up by trying to stop us meeting or by trying to drown out our voices if we do meet.
What should be public meetings, where people have a right to speak and to be heard and challenged have – thanks to trans activists – had to be held in secret. And yet in spite of their efforts to silence us, the meetings are getting bigger and bigger each time and women in more and more parts of the country are deciding to host them. What does that tell you, trans activist bullies? Probably nothing as long as you keep your blinkers on and your fingers in your ears while shouting at the top of your voices to support male entitlement over women’s liberation.
Let history be the judge of you. I wager it will not be kind.
Links to relevant articles
Transgender activists and the real war on women by Judith Green of WPUK in The Spectator
A letter to a female trans activist La Scapigliata
The silencing of feminists silences survivors An anonymous sister
Brighton, 16 July 2018 A Woman’s Place is turning the tide.
Speakers: Helen Saxby. Feminist writer and blogger,
Kathleen Stock. Philosophy Lecturer, University of Sussex.
Gill Smith. Transitioned from female to male but has since “desisted”.
Ruth Serwotka. co-founder of Woman’s Place UK
More details on WPUK FB page
The venue – a Friends Meeting House – cancelled with five days notice and issued an absolutely appalling statement. Shame on you, quakers of Brighton. We are assured that the organisers have found another venue.
‘Trans women are still males with male genitalia’ – university lecturer airs controversial views Brighton Argus piece about Kathleen Stock
The tweet from Kathleen Stock refers to a disgraceful statement put out by Sussex Uni’s Student Union after the above article was published in the Argus They have now amended it to one that says nothing more than that they disagree with her views, as if anyone cared.
Now here is the list of past meetings with details of what happened at each. The most recent meeting appears at the top.
Hastings, 20th June 2018, A Woman’s Place is on the Frontline
In spite of the best efforts of Natasha Scott, director of Hastings Pride, whose CV includes the honour of being Brighton’s first Miss Transgender Brighton and even in spite of a hoax bomb warning tweeted by a troll and apparently taken seriously by police, this meeting went ahead without incident and was reported to be a sell-out and great success by those attending. Here the videos of the speakers:
London, 13th June 2018, Inconvenient Women
Organiser Venice Allan wasn’t fooled by attempts by trans activists to discover the venue for this one and it went ahead without any sign of protest from them, at least.
It was a fabulous meeting – the first I’d personally attended since Birmingham in March – with speakers Sheila Jeffreys and Nicola Jones, many thoughtful contributions from the audience and one very annoying lesbian activist called Kat Pinder (a one-time tabloid headline-grabbing TV reality show contestant then known as ‘Kitten’) who apparently has a grudge against Sheila and who, instead of waiting for the Q&A to challenge her, lay on the floor shouting abuse. The meeting was live streamed.
Let a Woman Speak in Truro 9th June 2018
I understand this was organised by WPUK but they cancelled it because of controversy surrounding one of their speakers, Posie Parker, so local women have decided to go ahead with it independently.
Speakers: Posie Parker, Jean Hatchett, Hannah Clarke. Here is the video.
Todmorden 7th June 2018: A Woman’s Place is to Encourage Debate.
I’m not aware of any problems around this meeting or of any video. The speakers were Gill Smith, Ruth Serwotka, Kristina Jayne Harrison.
Newcastle 24th May 2018: A Woman’s Place is Standing Her Ground
Bullies tried to get Northumbria University to cancel but the University wouldn’t kowtow to them and was criticised for allowing it to take place. Pathetic, really.
Chaired by Judith Green
Heather has also published her talk on her website.
Basingstoke 17th May 2018: A Woman’s Place is to be Inquiring
I’m not aware of any problems around this meeting.
Oxford 25th April 2018 A Woman’s Place is ours to define
Speakers: Stephanie Davies-Arai, Nic Williams, Raquel Rosario Sachez, Philipa Harvey.
A bunch of privileged white students in Oxford tried to get the Quakers to cancel this meeting at their premises and, when they failed, stood outside trying to drown out voices inside instead. The meeting went ahead as planned and the protesters succeeded only in showing themselves to be the ignorant bigots they are and angering even more people − including participants of a separate meeting at the same venue.
Said one commenter on Facebook, “There was a sexual abuse survivors group meeting in a room in the same venue, much much closer to the protesters than the WPUK meeting. When told that they were making vulnerable women (not anything to do with WPUK) incredibly intimidated and anxious and asked to stop screaming at least for the duration of their meeting, the protesters didn’t give a shit. Even saying “We don’t care!” This behaviour is abhorrent. It really shows the utter disregard these ‘righteous protestors’ have for women.”
According to one Tweet protesters “photographed woman & child escaping domestic violence despite being asked not to”.
Trans supporters of WPUK, Debbie Hayton and Kristina Harrison, both tried to to the protesters to no avail.
Sounds like it was a good meeting anyway. One commenter tweeted,
“Really glad that I made the 3hr drive. The meeting is buzzing with positivity and hope. The speakers are great; really thought-provoking and passionate.”
Here is a video of Julia Hartley-Brewer’s radio interview with Nic Williams: Does holding a different opinion make someone transphobic?
Finally, this is what stupid looks like:
Cardiff 12th April 2018
I’m very sorry to report that the Cardiff Mercure Holland House gave in to a bunch of lying bigots and cancelled the meeting at short notice and without discussion. As ever, a new venue was quickly found and judging by the tweets being issued as I write, it sounds like a great meeting.
Updated to add: Here is a transcript of what Jeni Harvey said. Other speakers were Ruth Serwotka of WPUK, Raquel Rosario Sanchez of Feminist Current, Helen Mary Jones of Plaid Cymru.
Videos of speakers:
Bristol 19th April 2018 We need to talk about sex
For the first time in the history of these meetings, the venue of this one organised by Venice Allan was advertised publicly and, in spite of their best efforts, the bullies – again drawn from the local Sisters Uncut – group did not succeed in getting the venue to cancel. Massive kudos to the Jam Jar management for their principled stand.
Chaired by Jeni Harvey, the speakers were Heather Brunskell-Evans, Miranda Yardley, Nicole Jones and Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull. Contributions from the floor included Magdalen Berns and Sheila Jeffreys. Oh and Munroe Bergdoff who can be heard trying to interrupt the first speaker and who was told to wait until the Q&A at the end but apparently Munroe was just too fabulous to do that and left.
A recording of the meeting can be viewed here.
The screenshot right shows the bullies congratulating themselves. Mysteriously, no footage exists to support their allegations of being assaulted. However, we do have footage by Julie Bindel, who was there as a reporter. In Julie’s video we can see a bunch masked millennials blocking the stairway so that invited speaker, Heather Brunskell-Evans, and Julie herself can’t get to the meeting. In this short video shot by Magdalen Berns we see one of the bullies screaming abuse because she was called the wrong pronoun. You couldn’t make this up. And while all this was going on Miranda Yardley slipped out the back on an important mission. See footage here.
Birmingham, 15th March 2018, A Woman’s Place is a Sanctuary
In contrast, the meeting in Birmingham with Karen Ingala Smith, Rebecca Reilly-Cooper, Debbie Hayton and Aysha Iqbal lived up to its title. It was wonderfully calm and peaceful. I am unaware of Misters Uncut or anyone else trying buy tickets, find out where it was happening or stop it taking place and there were no protests outside the venue, while inside about 100 women and a few men had gathered to listen to the speakers and take part in good natured discussion. The meeting saw a lot of enthusiasm for the idea of developing a West Midlands Feminist Network. Contact @Jacky Holyoake if interested.
Speakers: Rebecca Reilly-Cooper,
London, 14th March 2018: Transgenderism and the War on Women
This was booked to be held at Millwall Football Club but, under pressure from the trans cult, the Millwall cissies cancelled so we got a room at House of Commons instead. Naturally the bullies of Sisters Uncut tried desperately to stop it happening and resorted to the usual fabrications.
The tweet shown right was followed by one suggesting complainants say the meeting would be in breach of the Equalities Act and would “incite violence against trans women”. These people have neither reason nor integrity. One saddo tweeted that he phoned to complain three times using different voices each time. At least one imbecile devoted an incredible amount of time on trying to make something out of the fact that the meeting was hosted by David Davies, MP, a Tory and practising Catholic who opposes abortion and gay marriage. Guilt by association I suppose. I pointed out that, unlike trans activists, Davies doesn’t promote and celebrate violence against women he disagreed with or tell us to suck his dick.
It was, in my opinion, the best meeting so far. That had a lot to do with the brilliant speakers, Sheila Jeffreys, Julia Long and Anne Ruzylo but also with being in a fabulous location. There was a huge buzz in the room and a sense of history being made.
Of course the bullies knew they wouldn’t be able to protest outside the Palace of Westminster so didn’t bother turning up and there was an amazing atmosphere in the pub afterwards.
Thanks are due to the awesome Venice Allan, Dr Radfem, for making it all happen.
A recording of the event can be heard on GenderTrender.
From the Sunday Times 1st April 2018 but unfortunately not an April Fool prank.
The parliamentary commissioner for standards has launched an investigation into a Tory MP after he held an event with feminists who are opposed to planned transgender legislation.
David Davies, MP for Monmouth, called the inquiry “sinister” and “unbelievable” and said parliamentary rules were being “abused” by transgender activists to deny freedom of speech.
Members of the We Need To Talk group say potential legal changes allowing people born male to “self-identify” as women will threaten biological women’s spaces and rights. Their meeting took place in parliament on March 14. Davies agreed to host them when Millwall football club, the original venue, cancelled after pressure from transgender lobbyists.
“This was a meeting with women who’ve got perfectly legitimate concerns about legislation the government has said it’s bringing forward,” Davies said. “Of course they’ve got a right to discuss it in the legislature. There is an important principle of freedom of speech here.”
Update: A complaint by the execrable Zoe O’Connell against David Davies MP, alleging that the event was ticketed, which is in breach of House of Commons rules for public meetings, was not upheld. The correspondence can be viewed here.
London, 27 February 2018, A Woman’s Place is Making a Stand
Over 400 of us attended this meeting in Central London to hear Steph Pike, Lucy Masoud and Pilgrim Tucker, chaired by Megan Dobney. I saw no protesters when I arrived but, during the first speaker’s presentation, I started to hear the familiar mindless chants from outside. They didn’t last long, though they returned near the end and were there to greet us as we emerged from the venue. There were only a handful of them and, as they were outnumbered by about 70 to 1, didn’t seem particularly threatening. Nevertheless, things turned nasty when one of them – who I now know to be Ananya Jaidev, who was also one of the more vocal nutters at Speakers Corner – reportedly tried to grab the spectacles from the face of one woman who’d been in the audience.
The meeting itself was absolutely fantastic and it was good to see so many women say they felt so inspired by it. Videos of the speakers are available – there were also great contributions came from members of the audience including three from supportive trans folk, but these were not filmed for their own safety.
Lily Maynard blogged her impressions of the meeting here: A Woman’s Place – we’re making history.
Edinburgh, 14 February 2018: A woman’s place loves women’s rights
A very successful meeting took place in the Out of the Blue Drill Hall in Edinburgh on 14th February 20 17. Organisers were ably assisted by the local branch of Sisters Uncut who, not caring to hear the invited speakers, namely feminist activist, Jackie Mearns of Female Erasure and Emma Wilkes, who is the mother of a detransitioned teenager, much less the questions and concerns expressed by women in the audience, chose instead to stand outside and bang saucepans, thereby consolidating the anger and opposition of those inside the hall.
Here’s a poignant observation from journalist, Vonny Leclerc, who attended:
“I missed the start of the meeting, but what I saw was calm. We heard from a woman whose partner transitioned and the mother of a teenage girl who identified as a boy for years. A de-transitioned woman spoke up, as did teachers with a desire to balance the rights of girls with those of trans and non-binary teens. There were women’s service users with questions and concerns. We discussed the reality of growing up with a female body in Scotland.
One woman spoke about her childhood sexual assault. She explained that puberty confronted her with the inescapable reality of her womanhood. She began hating her body. It had become a monument to her trauma. As she cried, and some cried with her, the din of pots, pans and chants echoed through the hall. It struck me how the reality of this quiet exchange was lost to those outside. It made me wonder: what do they think we’re doing in here? How can we bridge the gap between expectation and reality?”
Finally, the Sisters Uncut group followed up their vile behaviour with the most disgusting proposition imaginable, which is that the venue should donate proceeds to a group that defended the assault on me with the declaration that, “punching terfs is the same as punching Nazis“.
Are these people for real?
Bristol, 8th February 2018: A woman’s place is speaking out
In Bristol the venue cancelled with a day’s notice, though the group of protesters – apparently drawn from a group going by the name of Sisters Uncut, Bristol – weren’t directly responsible on this occasion. In fact, they didn’t even manage to find out where the meeting was due to take place or – much to the amusement of everyone attending including me – where it ended up taking place.
But because the organisers liaised with the police, who went to the venue to check it over, it seems those responsible for letting out the room got cold feet. Never mind. A different and really fantastic alternative venue was quickly found leaving the bullies from Sisters Uncut, who were hoping to find us and bully us, watching the #WPUK Twitter time line for clues. I did my best to oblige with a few false ones. I don’t know if they were taken in or not.
Early in the meeting, it seems someone in the audience tweeted a photo of the speakers and the photo quickly appeared on the Bristol Sisters Uncut Facebook page with an appeal that nobody answered leaving one disgruntled supporter – a well-known misogynist MtT called Elise Hendrick – to whinge about how fitting it was that WPUK used the same tactics as Britain First. For pity’s sake find a new playbook – and playgroup, ideally – or just ask someone to help you learn to argue like a grown-up.
The meeting was wonderful, by the way. Here are videos of the speakers:
Jo Bartosch’s presentation can also be read here: From Advocate to Adversary – Speech to Bristol Woman’s Place UK Meeting
The contributions from the floor were superb and they are never recorded for the safety of the participants. How sad it is that we have come to this.
Update: An unbelievably silly petition was organised by a student at Bristol University calling for the cancellation of the meeting, even though the University wasn’t hosting it. It now seems this student is facing disciplinary action, which seems unlikely just for a petition and I suspect there is more to this story than the writers of this shockingly dishonest letter Open letter to Hugh Brady (the Uni’s Vice Chancellor and President) is letting on. Shame on every single academic who has signed it, quite obviously without taking the trouble to verify the contents of the letter.
Manchester, 17th January 2018: A woman’s place is under threat
The harder they try to shut us up, the more people want to talk. The Quakers of Manchester hosted this packed meeting, reportedly attended by some 200 of us, to hear excellent talks by Bea Campbell, Kristina Harrison and Ruth Serwotka.
Apparently there were “protestations” in advance of the meeting but there wasn’t a demonstrator in sight anywhere near the venue. Pink News, in a disgusting and dishonest article I’m not going to link to, reports that the person in charge of the venue had responded to attempts to get the meeting cancelled saying:
“I recognise that whether the event goes ahead or not, some people will feel hurt and upset about that. My understanding is that the group are hosting a debate concerning changes to the Gender Recognition Act and is not campaigning against trans people in general. There are clearly differences in opinion as to whether they are or are not a transphobic hate group, and I appreciate that for some people whatever decision I make will be disappointing and hurtful.”
Here are videos of the speakers:
An article by Ruth Serowtka in the Morning Star: Why do we need a new women’s movement?
Glasgow, 10th January 2018: We need to talk about gender
For this occasion, the event organiser, Venice Allan aka Dr RadFem, booked a modest hotel and didn’t publicise the venue but the bullies got hold of the address anyway and bullied the venue into cancelling – again with just hours notice. Venice believes it’s because this particular hotel did not have sufficient security staff to protect the peaceful attendees against potentially violent hoodlums. In any event, she just booked a bigger hotel that did have the staff so the meeting went ahead as planned.
However, on this occasion a few of the bullies got into the meeting and, within a few seconds of the first speaker, Kate Graham, starting to speak they began shouting in unison. What was their purpose apart from making themselves feel important but look like the bigoted morons they are? I’ve no idea.
Unfortunately the only video I can get my hands on was scrambled at the beginning. I managed to extract the audio so you can hear the protesters interrupt Kate Graham. Their protest lasted about two minutes until they were ejected to applause from everyone else. Kate continues but we only have about three minutes of her speaking.
We also miss the beginning of Ruth Greenberg’s talk in this video but we hear Stuart Waite and Heather Brunskell-Evans in full.
Here’s a great article written by someone who attended the meeting:
“The meeting certainly provided plenty of food for thought. But hate? The only hate I detected came from the individuals who shouted a woman down before she had even spoken a word.”
Finally, a review left on the Facebook page.
There was no hate speech. There was no put down of trans people. There was much discussion about gender as a social construct, about the difference between biological sex and gender as a social construct and the need if we are to have laws that are going to work and be effective for us all for us to be clear what we mean by such terms, discussion of how meanings of terms change over time.
Other aspects were covered too. The room was full of intelligent, thoughtful, concerned people. I have various reasons to have a more than average interest in this legislation and I felt I came away with more to think about. All you can ask for from a public meeting really. Though I could have done without the antics of having had the venue changed at the last minute due to agitators harassing the original venue, and I could have done without, as a woman arriving on my own, having to breach the wall of protestors with bongo drums and banners lined along the entrance steps to the hotel. A meeting about gender, which affects every aspect of my life. My home city. Intimidation. Maybe the next meeting I go to should be – Let’s talk about free speech.
Cambridge, 23rd November 2017: A Woman’s Place is on the Platform
This time the bullies tried the tactic of booking all the seats but their stupidity gave them away. The organiser tells the story here: Making sure A Woman’s Place is on the Platform
And here are videos of three of the speakers. Heather Brunskell-Evans was a late addition to the panel and there doesn’t seem to be a recording of her contribution. She did, however, speak again at Glasgow – see below.
York, 8th November 2017: We need to talk about gender
It seems the bullies deceived the organiser into letting them know the meeting was to take place at the Priory Street Centre in York. The venue shamefully gave in to the bullies and cancelled with a few hours notice so we went to a hotel, which was much nicer anyway. No protestors bothered to turn up in person, there was minimal inconvenience caused and money that would have gone to a community centre – albeit one not worthy of the name – went to a hotel instead. Well done, bullies.
Brighton 27th September 2017: We need to talk about gender
This meeting took place during the week the Labour Party held its annual conference in Brighton. I understand it was a fantastic meeting – the events at Speakers’ Corner having, unsurprisingly, galvanised people into wanting to fight back harder than ever. It’s not known whether the bullies tried to get the venue to cancel the meeting. There were some protesters outside but they caused no problems and nobody took any notice of them.
Unfortunately the event wasn’t recorded but here’s a review lifted from Facebook:
London, 13th September 2017: What is Gender? The Gender Recognition Act and Beyond
I was at Speakers’ Corner on 13 September 2017 because I wanted to attend a meeting to hear about proposed changes to legislation. The meeting had originally been organised as a debate between two people from Stonewall UK on one side and Dr Julia Long and Miranda Yardley on the other, but the representatives from Stonewall pulled out. It was also supposed to take place in a venue in South East London called the New Cross Learning Centre but, after a campaign of harassment by bullies who were evidently desperate to stop people like me – someone who had never been involved in any kind of activity on trans issues – hearing from people who had, the venue cancelled the meeting the day before it was due to happen.
Another venue, this time in Central London – and therefore much more convenient for many would-be attendees – was quickly found and a meeting point at Speakers’ Corner was announced on Twitter. Some of the bullies reportedly spent the day phoning possible venues in the area but, in spite of their best efforts, the meeting went ahead albeit the start was delayed by the bullies’ activities at Speakers’ Corner. A smaller number of the bullies stood outside the building and shouted continuously throughout the meeting. On the videos below, they actually sound louder than they did to those of us in the room at the time and, although they obviously got on Julia’s nerves a bit, neither she nor Miranda were put off by them. Ruth Serwotka gives an account on Facebook here.
What about Dublin?
At the time of writing, bullies are trying to stop a meeting taking place in Dublin. Here is a message from somebody who is willing to organise it, though there are other candidates, and below is a link to a piece by Irish feminist, Miriam Kivlehan.
An Open Letter to UK Feminists: We Need to Talk! Miriam Kivlehan
“It saddened me recently to witness a collective of Irish women publish an ‘Open Letter’ to you, for the sole purpose of discrediting your current mission, silencing your voice and mobilising public hostility towards your proposed visit to Ireland. That it is based on ignorance and a heinous misrepresentation of our shared feminist history outrages me; that it implies their view is in any way representative of all Irish feminists shames me; and that it uses its object both to ostracise you and mobilise hatred and violence towards fellow Irish women, incenses every fibre of my being.”
Pager last updated 13.07.18